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Sunday 30 September 2012

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Saturday 29 September 2012

Nothing changes if nothing changes!


dear aacultwatch,

wayne p still at it.

I needed help to stop or moderate my drinking, I lost my job and nearly my sanity.

I joined r to r [Road to Recovery Plymouth cult group] seeking help, the first meeting they were over me like a rash, read the big book, get a sponsor,do the steps and ring 2 members a day, the usual cult starting point.

At last an answer, so I thought in my confused state.

I followed the path, started doing the programme,sobered up but starting to rely on my sponsor.

Whenever I questioned the teachings of space cadet Wayne I was not working the programme.

My first sponsor left the group why? This left me confused, so I got a new one.

He took me to step 4,then step 5, but like a bolt of reality I saw through the bullshit, he did not know what was written in the r to r website.

I never went back.

There are many good and caring people in that group, but it feels like its Waynes world. You cannot question or discuss different thoughts other than space cadet Waynes teaching.

AA can help,it got me sober and the rest of my life depend on me choosing the right path.

...

PS, another space cadet is Alexis K, in r and r.”

(our edits)

Comment: Not much to say … the same old same old... business as usual. But the usual cult 'shut down' lines apply ….. A particular favourite amongst the 'pointed headed' ones is the 'are you prepared to go to any lengths' rejoinder. Anyone who fails to comply is challenged accordingly. Of course what they fail to point out – that is if they ever noticed it in the first place – is that the “any lengths” referred to are YOUR “any lengths” not THEIR “any lengths”! But like all control freaks they have great difficulty in recognising other human beings as being at all autonomous or capable of exercising any judgement on their own behalf. 'My will not thine be done' is the gold standard as ever in cult circles! Remember …. your sponsor is now your GOD-father .. and ….. true humility is expressed through obedience to your SPONSOR! (Oh pass the sick bag …. please!!)

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

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Friday 28 September 2012

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Thursday 27 September 2012

The home group – a whole new slant!


Over the last five years or so that aacultwatch has been in operation we have regularly received mails from members who have become so disenchanted with what is going on in AA that they have either decided to stop coming to the meetings or have reduced their contact to a minimum. Many of these are newcomers who generally fall into the former category. There is no way of accurately estimating the numbers of these that have left because of the activities of the cult(s) operating with AA. It would be an exaggeration - and probably an over-dramatisation - to say that these have been abandoned, left to their own devices, and to a probable alcoholic death. Nowadays AA is not the only “show” in town and there are a number of other therapeutic avenues open to those sufferers who find AA for one reason or another unappealing (which is all to the good in our view). However, and perhaps more significantly (though not more importantly), we also regularly receive reports from those with longer term recovery (15 years and upwards) who are similarly exercising these options, and frequently for precisely the same reasons. These, however, are in a more fortunate position. Many will have established a network of friends within AA with whom they are in regular contact and who serve as a surrogate fellowship outside the formal structure. Contrary to the received wisdom it is perfectly possible to remain sober without necessarily attending AA meetings. But from the fellowship's point of view can we afford to lose such vital experience especially when it's founded so soundly upon the principles of AA (something to which the cult members and groups tend to pay mere lip service)? However we have heard recently that some members (ever adaptable), tired of the endless clone speak of cult members, and bored with their evident hypocrisy etc, craving moreover (dare we say!) some kind of genuine fellowship have set up a “home” group …. and by “home” group we mean a group meeting in someone's home! It is not clear whether this is open to anyone or whether it's by invitation only but the initiative is clearly intended to provide a forum where members will be freed from the need to listen to … how shall we put this … delicately....... interminable cult CRAP! These groups will of necessity tend to be small which again we can only regard as a singular improvement on the “Nuremberg rally” feel that characterises a typical cult meeting. In a smaller more homely venue perhaps something can be recaptured of the friendly and relaxed atmosphere which permeated the early meetings of AA (see bottom of p. 159, Alcoholics Anonymous). Members, assured in their own recovery, tend not to be susceptible to the “fool's gold” served up by the cult and are therefore correspondingly disinclined to evangelise. Such groups do not need a “guru” or “Big Book expert” to guide their deliberations. They have already understood the “message” and require no “special interpretations”:

As finally expressed and offered, they [The Twelve Steps] are simple in language, plain in meaning. They are also workable by any person having a sincere desire to obtain and keep sobriety. The results are proof. Their simplicity and workability are such that no special interpretations, and certainly no reservations, have ever been necessary.” (Extract from Dr. Bob and the Good Old Timers p 227)

And so..... if you're tired of being lectured by half wits and weary of having your recovery criticised by someone who's still got alcohol dribbling out of the corner of their mouth …. if you're fed up with 'scripted' sharing and would just love to hear someone speak from both their head AND their heart …... if you want to be part of something that's genuine and would rather not carry on listening to people “whistling in the dark” …... if you crave a real fellowship that is based on compassion and empathy rather than upon rote and precept ….. if you hunger to be simply an alcoholic amongst alcoholics and, more importantly, a fellow amongst fellows with not a “big cheese” in sight …... if the answer's yes then the solution is simple.. set up a “home” group .. a REAL home group....

A few thoughts (we're sure you can figure out the rest!):

Some of the advantages have already been mentioned. However it's worth bearing in mind that the costs incurred by such groups would also be much reduced. There are no hall charges to pay etc with people just chipping in for tea and biccies or whatever takes your fancy... Jaffa Cakes! ....  The question of whether they are open to all (in which case you're back to the original problem of the clones sticking their oar in) or by invitation only, for example, has to be a matter for each group to consider. There are however certain advantages in adopting an 'invitation only' policy including obviously the fact that the extremists can be excluded quite easily. After all they can always go off to a cult meeting can't they? Moreover these groups would provide something of a safe haven where confidentiality is more easily assured. However, in the latter case (invitation only) we believe such groups should not refer to themselves as AA groups or meetings (by reason of Tradition 3). Moreover they should not send any money to intergroup (by reason of Tradition 7). These groups although functioning in almost every respect like an AA group are for the purposes of the traditions actually outside 'organisations'. Otherwise we reckon the sky's the limit, and the variations inexhaustible, subject only to your imagination!

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS We'd be interested to hear from anyone who has experience of setting up such groups – the pitfalls to avoid and so on

Wednesday 26 September 2012

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Tuesday 25 September 2012

Skype – helping to propagate the cult message?


I reckon Skype meetings and online sponsors have something to do with spreading cults so the following article might also be of interest to the members in Perth. (I came across it while on the trail of Clancy I. of the Pacific Group. I wonder why Clancy I is cited with this issue of AA in Australia on Google?)

Extracts from 'AA in the Twenty First Century–Speakers via Video Chat'; 'AA Around Australia pp1,3: http://www.aa.org.au/members/documents/AAAroundAustraliaMarch2012.pdf

With a decent-sized screen and a reasonable sound system, it's almost as if the speaker were there in the room. Any slight disadvantages seem to be far outweighed by the ability to invite the speaker you want, at very low cost, irrespective of location world-wide"

"Q How did the idea come about?

A: I have been using Skype for years now as a tool to communicate with my sponsor and also for holding AA meetings online with friends and sponsees who live in different places. it enables us to do Big Book studies.."

Q: I've heard speakers at your meeting from as far apart as Perth, Silicon Valley in the US and Darwin. How does the group find these speakers?

A: Having been around a while I have gotten to know a lot of friends in the Fellowship. This comes from attending National Conventions and other Round-ups and Rallies......I have also had the privilege of having an American sponsor who is very active in General Service in the USA and so I have met many highly experienced members through him who are more than willing to share their experience, strength and hope. It would only be a matter of contacting via email or phone one or more of the many Central Service Offices in the US/Canada or in other countries to ask them to recommend speakers"

Q: I understand that online sponsorship is also possible. How does that work?

A: I have only ever had long distance sponsorship. This was more God‘s choice than mine and personally I think a local sponsor is the best.."

(Extract 'AA in the Twenty First Century –Speakers via Video Chat'; 'AA Around Australia pp )

Comment: We've been aware for some time that Skype is being utilised by cult groups to disseminate their 'message', and the fact that Clancy I's name (Pacific Group) seems to come up in a Google search in association with this is hardly surprising. His name seems to be linked with virtually every prominent (?) cult group we've investigated from the Plymouth Road to Recovery (GB) to the “Sponsorship Group” (New Jersey) to the Bristol Reunion (GB) (which “promoted” this speaker on a number of occasions) to the notorious Midtown groups (Washington DC) (he sponsored Mike Quinones – now deceased – who presided over this cesspool for a number of years and even acted as an apologist for their conduct). Clancy I (who we sometimes refer to as the Venerable C) is yet another anti-prescribed medication freak with a strange aversion to bearded men. He believes they are hiding something! (Are there some issues to be explored here?). He has also been described as an addiction and recovery expert but we're not aware that he holds any qualifications with respect to the former nor that there is any evidence for the latter. In fact two of our the team on different occasions have met him personally. One described him simply as arrogant and the second offered him his phone number believing the fellow to be a newcomer who was struggling! Or maybe it was a different Clancy I? (For more information on some of the above simply type in the relevant key words into Google Custom Search at the top of our blog)

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

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Monday 24 September 2012

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Friday 21 September 2012

Friends of Dorothy!


We were most entertained to discover that the 39th Northern National Convention 2013 will be featuring a: “Yellow Brick Road to Recovery Banner”.




Now of course the designation “Road to Recovery” is entirely legitimate, and derived from the book “Alcoholics Anonymous”. Unfortunately for AA this has been highjacked as a symbol by one of the extremist cults operating within our fellowship (in much the same way that the Cross of St. George was pirated by the National Front in its various guises – yet another bunch of neo-fascists!). However (and putting the unfortunate “Road to Recovery” connotation to one side) perhaps there are other associations that the organising committee might like to consider when deploying the Yellow Brick banner for all and sundry to see. For those not familiar with the story (and film) see here: The Wonderful Wizard of Oz and here. Briefly the adventure (a fantasy tale) involves a young girl Dorothy (played in the 1939 film by Judy Garland) teaming up with a cowardly lion, a tin man without a heart and a scarecrow who's looking for a brain. Together they set off in search of the Wizard of Oz who they believe will produce a solution to their singular problems. Various adventures ensue whilst they travel the Yellow Brick Road including a series of encounters with the inevitable Wicked Witch and her minions, and then various others hazards that one would expect when making such a journey (including an interlude where they all get seriously stoned whilst traversing a field of poppies!). Finally they discover the wizard who apparently is not all he seems but who contrives nevertheless to cobble something together. Dorothy is returned home to Kansas where she discovers that it all may have just been a dream.......

Now one thing that usually becomes evident to most members of AA (and quite rapidly) is that there is no single road to recovery (yellow brick or otherwise). There are however a set of “suggestions” which indicate the general direction one might take. All roads indeed “lead to Rome” and there are innumerable routes by which one might arrive at that destination. Some travellers may be in a burning hurry and set off by what they believe is the most direct path only to discover it to be impassable and who are then forced to retrace their steps and start again. Others, although similarly inclined, recognise that the journey might have to be undertaken at a more moderate pace and that perhaps the scenic way is more to their taste. Other still may like to break their journey from time to time and explore intriguing side avenues.. and so on … and so forth.....Count the number of AA members and there you will discover the number of 'roads' to recovery.

Allegories and metaphors aside recovery is not a fairy tale. It's real and sometimes harsh. The notion that all you have to do is follow 'directions' and all will be well is a pleasant conceit but not necessarily reflected in reality. Doing the “next right thing” does not guarantee of itself that the desired end will follow (see here, pp. 61). Good will not always triumph finally over evil (nor the converse). They exist in an uneasy equilibrium and indeed neither could subsist without the other. Good things happen to bad people and bad to good etc etc …... and as for 'happily ever after'... well now we're back to fairy tales again!

Finally the 'guru' at the end of Dorothy's quest really had nothing to offer her or her friends. Indeed all he could point out was that what they thought they lacked they in fact already possessed but otherwise it would seem he was as much in the dark as they. So as gurus go he wasn't a complete loss after all!

So although the Yellow Brick Road might be quite an enticing and even consoling notion perhaps you might prefer to trudge your own path along the Road(s) of Happy Destiny where you may meet fellow wayfarers as your routes occasionally cross.

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Some snippets:

It's official! According to the Road to Recovery (cult) group Plymouth humility has now been redefined as: “Obedience to your sponsor” ….. nothing new there then!

And from....

The Sponsorship Group (North New Jersey, US): (from their website):

Our homegroup is notorious in the North Jersey area for being adamant and at times even fervent about offering the solution to Alcoholism as described in the "Big Book" of AA - And we wouldn't change that if we could”

Taking a leaf out of the BBC 3's excellent series “The Revolution Will be Televised” (where among other civic minded activities it 'slices and dices' bankers, tax avoiders (Boots, Vodaphone .. the list grows ad infinitum.....), politicians ie. the usual suspects) we offer the following translation of the above under “HONEST” (in red):

Our homegroup is well known as a royal pain in the arse in the North Jersey area for being arrogant and at times even fanatical about offering the solution to Alcoholism according to our extremely limited knowledge of the “Big Book” of AA – And because we're closed minded, ignorant nutters we wouldn't change that if we could”.

We suggest the Sponsorship Group consider these extracts from the text with which they claim to have some - albeit extremely - limited acquaintance: (see BB, Chapter 7, Working With Others)

Don't start out as an evangelist or reformer” (p. 89)

You will be most successful with alcoholics if you do not exhibit any passion for crusade or reform” (p. 95).

So much for the “fervent/adamant” approach!

Cheerio... again!

Wednesday 19 September 2012

www.aacultwatch.co.uk


From time to time we are contacted by members who are interested in helping us in our efforts. So.....

….....we've decided to be a bit more proactive in getting the name
www.aacultwatch.co.uk out on the web. We've already managed to reach a fair chunk of the membership here in the UK but we've only scratched the surface in the US (and the rest of the world). We feel however, given the urgency of the situation, and the fact that the abuse of newcomers by cult members is still quite widespread, we need to accelerate this process. One means which has been identified by the team is the placement of the aacultwatch name on as many websites, forums, message boards, commentaries, blogs, online groups, social media sites (Facebook, Twitter...) etc as possible (but specifically those that deal with AA matters, or even which are anti AA. This has three main impacts: 1) it brings to the attention of these potentially interested parties what we have to say - they may agree or disagree with it - that is entirely their privilege - but they can't ignore it any more; 2) in the case of anti AA groups it demonstrates that some of the fellowship at least have an interest in responding to their grievances - and this may have the effect of reducing the amount of hostile AA commentary on the web or at least puts forward an alternative viewpoint; 3) by placing the actual wording www.aacultwatch.co.uk on these various sites it makes us more easily "searchable" and increases our ranking within search engines like Google etc (which in some mysterious way makes us more easily accessible to those who might be interested in such information).

What it would involve is:
 
1) Use search engines to methodically locate such groups, message boards, forums, blogs etc.
2) Join these forums etc where necessary (using an appropriately anonymous user name etc), and place some comment on the site, discussion etc but always including the following website name -
www.aacultwatch.co.uk. This has the effect of inviting the reader to click on the link or place it in their browser window and navigate to the site. After that it is up to them what they make of it. Either way they have been exposed in some degree to the information.
3) Keep a record of all sites which have had the
www.aacultwatch.co.uk link placed on them, and pass these links on to us via email. This will enable us to build up a data base record.

We reckon there are probably hundreds if not thousands of such sites on the web so this is a long term project. If a number of people get involved however this will speed things up. It does not matter unduly if there is some duplication of effort. All this will mean is that the www.aacultwatch.co.uk site will get more than one mention on a site, which from our point of view is all to the good. If you need any clarification send us a mail. Otherwise good luck and happy surfing!

Cheers

The Fellas (
Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Monday 17 September 2012

Conference Questions (2012) forum discussion (contd)


Committee No. 1

Question 2:

Would the Fellowship ask itself the question: “Are there too many meetings and not enough groups?”

Background

Pamphlet ‘The AA Group’
The Home Group: Heartbeat of AA
Consider the contribution to the carrying of the message, financial and practical implications when deliberating each question.”

Extract:

To clarify my comment in my post on page one, (Sun Jan 08) regarding the amalgamation of local meetings into groups as geographical units named by town, village, or urban district. This is not to suggest that small meetings are amalgamated into large meetings, but that these meetings are served by a district committee. This is in effect sub-division of intergroups into district committees. I give the following reasons for this. Experience appears to show that:

“…a group should not get too large—that it begins to lose a little of its effectiveness when it does.” (Extract from Dr. Bob and the Good Old Timers page 287).

The reason for the loss of effectiveness in a large group appears to be the result of an imbalance in the participation of the two personality extremes which Bill W described as the “promoters” and “conservatives”. In a large group the naturally reserved “do nothing” conservatives can evade participation by becoming spectators; while “do everything” promoters do most of the talking, then group together to organize and power drive. Effective AA policy in the past has been achieved through the inclusion of, and drawing together of a balanced compromise between the extreme opinions of both the promoters and conservatives.

Today we can see that the conservatives would have rotted us by doing nothing. On the other hand, the promoters would have surely ruined us by doing everything.” (Bill W. The Language of the Heart page 219; AA Grapevine November 1947)

The lack of a locally co-ordinated structure between large intergroup assemblies and meetings allows both these personality extremes to come to the fore. I think there is a pattern developing reminiscent of the chaos and unsound public relations of the 1940s. The answer to this problem, at least in part, appears to be sub-dividing large intergroups into local district committees. The formation of local committees to co-ordinate services brought together cohesive and effective functioning of groups in the 1940s and there appears to be no reason why the same effect would not be achieved today.

Going on the local intergroup archive material in my post on page one (Fri Jan 21), whereby there were 10 GSRs in my intergroup assembly in 1990; it appears to me that an effective operating unit size for an intergroup would be an assembly of GSRs representing around 10 subdivisions. It would appear that effective geographical sub-divisions of the intergroup would be of local district committees serving a unit size of between one and ten meetings. Possibly there could be some proportional representation at the intergroup assembly, for example, groups/district committees comprising of 1-5 meetings represented by one GSR, and groups/districts committees comprising of 5-10 meetings represented by two GSRs.

The effective operating unit size of meetings in my view, appears to be a number of around 15-25 people. If meetings are much smaller than this then they tend not to be financially viable to make contributions to support the service structure. They can be dominated by one or two strong personalities, or attract cliques of certain personality types. If meetings are much larger than this, then conservatives become non participating spectators while promoters organize the both meeting and the group against the spirit of Tradition Nine.

More information of the “promoters” and “conservatives” can be found in the following articles by Bill W:

Tradition Nine” The Language of the Heart pp 88-89
The Book is Born” The Language of the Heart pp 9-12
Respecting Money” The Language of the Heart pp 218-221”


Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Saturday 15 September 2012

David B, David C "Icons" and the Catholic Connection


To quote:

First of all I want to say that, although I am not a Catholic myself, I have no prejudice or issue with the Roman Catholic Church per se. The point of this report is not to denigrate the Catholic Church or debate its teachings, but to expose individuals within the Vision/Joys hierarchy who, having converted to Catholicism, are importing Catholic dogma and moral teachings into AA and presenting and imposing these upon newcomers and sponsees as AA-program in violation of the Traditions and the Preamble of our fellowship. I also wish to say that, as far as I am aware, the Catholic Church is not complicit in the activity of the Vision/Joys cult.

Around the mid-1990’s David B, founder of the Vision cult, began attending the Brompton Oratory, a large Catholic church in Kensington. This church is well known for its ornate Masses said in Latin, and its professional choir, who sing classical church music, and its very conservative Catholic outlook. I understand David B started going to the Oratory after a sponsee of his called John converted to Catholicism and invited him to go to the 11am high mass there. A number of David B’s sponsees began to attend with him also, including David C "Icons" and his sponsees, and after Sunday mass they would all have lunch at a nearby restaurant.

Around the same time as this was going on there developed a more judgmental and “Catholic” attitude to moral questions and issues. Sex before marriage was forbidden for David’s sponsees on the grounds that is was supposedly “selfish”. Then suddenly artificial birth control was also outlawed for any of David’s sponsees. This gross interference in personal liberty and conscience was enthusiastically reinforced later by David B’s successor, David C "Icons". David C "Icons" decided that promoting the moral teachings of the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church, on sexual matters was part of the message of AA. Thus unwary newcomers and sponsees were told, among other things:

1) No masturbation. It’s selfish. It’s a defect. A sin against “purity”, and something to feel guilty about.
2) No use of artificial birth control (contraception). Birth control was seen as a moral evil and "selfish" and encouraging "lust". Sponsees who used birth control were "off the program" and ran the risk of serious disapproval from David C "Icons" and co, not the mention the Pope.
3) No Abortion - abortion was described as "murder" and contrary to the program.
4) No sex outside marriage. Sex outside marriage was not allowed in the group and offenders would lose their sponsor. Thus the life saving message of AA was withdrawn from those who did not go along with this moral dogma.
5) Sex and relationships were only for the production of children within marriage. Homosexuality was frowned upon.
6) Extreme and outdated forms of sexual etiquette. For example; David C "Icons" thought that women should be chaperoned (accompanied by a responsible adult) on their early dates with men. He was uncertain a lady should even be kissed on her first date. Indeed he himself needed to consult his sponsor about this delicate matter when he had a date one evening. (It should be remembered that David C "Icons" was a man in his late 30’s and not a young teenager. This childish level of extreme sponsor dependency may make the reader laugh, but should not be surprising. Obedience to David B and the whole Vision/Joys cult style of sponsor worship definitely tended to infantilize the sponsee for life). Needless to say the lady concerned dumped him.

David C "Icons" also decided that if one was to follow a faith outside of AA, (which the Big Book suggests as a possible way of improving one’s spiritual life (pages 87 & 132) - then that faith should always be a WESTERN one. So, for example, Buddhism, Hinduism etc were strictly speaking not to be encouraged. In fact, people in the fellowship who turned to Buddhism to enrich the spiritual life tended to be mocked by David C "Icons". Only a western Christian faith would be acceptable, and of course, Catholicism was particularly to be favoured and embraced. It is noticeable that sponsees of David C "Icons" have also converted to Catholicism – Jim W for one, co-author of the big book website. And there are many others all the way down the line to the latest influx of recruits to the Vision/Joys cult.

Not long after I left the Vision cult, I was approached by a young man, whom I shall call Mr. C, who asked me to sponsor him. He was a refugee from Vision, his cult sponsor who was one of the Vision hierarchy had “sacked” him and consigned him to the ”outer darkness”. The “outer darkness” was an expression at the Vision cult which referred to the rest of the fellowship. In this case the reason was very interesting. Mr. C had been told by his Vision cult sponsor that he should consider becoming a Catholic. Rightly, Mr. C felt that this was a gross violation of his human rights and freedom of conscience, and this cult sponsor had no right on insisting upon conversion to a particular denomination. According to the AA Preamble, read out at every meeting, AA is not allied to any religious sect or denomination. However the Vision sponsor did not seem to agree with the Preamble. According to the sponsor, Mr. C’s refusal to become a Catholic was due to “a resentment against the institution of the Catholic Church” and he should look at his “defects” regarding this issue, and then pray to have them removed. This is typical Vision/Joys cult tactic. If you don’t agree with what they say, it’s because “you have a resentment”. They are always right (it’s their “humility”, you see!). Mr. C, having prayed a great deal, still did not want to become a Catholic, and so he was “sacked” or “consigned to the outer darkness” (might we even say “excommunicated”!) by the Vision cult sponsor. This incident was interesting because it revealed a tendency at the Vision cult which I had been aware of for some time - and that was the Catholic Connection.

Another incident I recall was when one of David C Icon’s sponsees (called Jim) was sponsoring a man who was Jewish and who wanted to date a Catholic girl. David C "Icons" ruled that this was not to be encouraged, as he had decided mixed religion relationships were not compatible spiritually.

David C "Icons" also produced a “Helpful Books” reading list as part of the Document he wrote called “Companion to the Big Book” – this was an early version of his current big book website. The reading list is interesting because almost all the books suggested for reading are exclusively Catholic. These include the hefty many-volumed Summa Theologica of St Thomas Aquinas, a medieval saint and theologian . David C "Icons" opines that St Thomas was the “biggest brain box ever”. I showed this list of “helpful books” to a friend of mine who happens to be a Catholic priest and he thought it looked like a reading list for someone who was studying for Catholic priesthood or seminary. It is certainly heavily biased in favour of a Catholic viewpoint.

Since all this happened, it would seem that David C "Icons" has become even more extreme, fanatical and bigoted. He has developed the “Way of Beauty” which is a concept inspired by a decree of Pope John-Paul II. David C "Icons" derides and condemns modern art as “selfish” (one of his favourite put downs of anything he doesn’t like or understand); and, indeed, for him, any kind of “self-expression” is regarded almost as a form of heresy. For David C "Icons" only the “Truth” matters. And the “Truth” can only be found within the Catholic religion. The high Art of other cultures may look beautiful, may even be skilfully produced, but it isn’t “True” so at best would only find a place in his back garden, (perhaps by the compost heap, or beside the garden gnomes). Belittling other religions, especially Buddhism (“everyone today is a Buddhist” he sighs sarcastically during one of his American Catholic TV broadcasts) is all part of his prejudice against anything that does not reflect the rigid and rigorous dogmas of his own one true faith. Clearly he isn’t a very secure person.

I don’t think I need comment on the mind-numbing arrogance, fascism, bigotry, selfishness, and sheer infantile idiocy demonstrated by the Vision/Joys cult and its leadership. It is self evident and beyond words. But perhaps I can conclude with some quotes from the literature – the real message of AA.

From the Preamble:
AA is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy, neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.

Tradition 10 (Short form):
Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.

Tradition 10 (Long Form):
No A.A. group or member should ever, in such a way as to implicate A.A., express any opinion on outside controversial issues—particularly those of politics, alcohol reform, or sectarian religion. The Alcoholics Anonymous groups oppose no one. Concerning such matters they can express no views whatever.

And perhaps David C "Icons" much vaunted “humility” might extend to apologizing for his misuse and abuse of AA, and for having damaged the chances of recovery of many alcoholics who have, over the years of his influence and activity, been alienated from AA and the AA program by his extreme arrogance, his narcissism and his demagogy. Perhaps he might like to get off his well-worn knees, clean up his AA act, and practice some genuine humility. We won’t hold our breath. “

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Thanks to our correspondent

Thursday 13 September 2012

The Last Mile Foundation aka Step'n Ahead aka Emotional Sobriety aka …. who knows what else!


Busy …. busy …. busy... No time to lose!...... So many addicts to 'save' and so much dosh to be collected.... how does Wayne Butler (president/CEO) find the time!

And so …..from Perth, Western Australia:

Hi friends of AA,

It was wonderful to find your article on this Wayne B. and his company!

I live in Perth, Western Australia and I am a very concerned member of AA because of the same reasons written in your concerns!

You're correct …. he has been here often, got to the young members, how I have seen them change under him. They teach his words, follow like sheep!!

One of the most dangerous issues is they are preaching NO medication!!!!! I have had a young newcomer on the phone to me crying after his "Spons" had told him he was not to take any medication while coming off alcohol, this poor sweet young man had not one but two alcoholic seizures ending up in hospital, he could have died and almost did! The doctor treating him wanted the name of this sponsor from AA , this looks bad for the fellowship!! After being made to feel under the control of this "Spons" making many phone calls to AA members but not able to distance himself from this "group" he is missing/gone..

Yes he comes here to his "work shops" or using AA members not aware of his game to fund them!

The control over his followers here frightens me and many other AA members. They go out to our meetings promoting their next "Money Raising Event". And they have had many!! We were informed to have a group conscience meeting and add that we only announce changes to AA meetings or AA anniversaries. We do Not give medical advice at this meeting,please respect this in your sharing. Also if they do not, then do not ask them to share.

We have also stopped them announcing their "events" where you pay at the door, or prepay in our AA literature, this along with not being able sell their event to our members should stop the funding for his company from our true AA members!

The control is out of control!!!

God bless


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Perth”

and then... from Rochester, New York state:

Hello -

It looks like the Emotional Sobriety folks are coming to my hometown for our annual fall conference. I am very glad to have come across your site, and the links back to their program. Something just didn't ring true. I certainly have no intention of attending!

http://www.rochester-ny-aa.org/ you'll find a link to the conference flyer on this page

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(our edits)

Comment: Quite apart from the vicious consequences suffered by new AA members as a result of this commercial enterprise's irresponsible activities it would seem that the Rochester Area Intergroup is now complicit in promoting the very same! Now what was that tradition ….. the one about non affiliation.. And wasn't there another one about being self supporting through our own voluntary contributions? Nah! It's slipped our minds for the time being....... couldn't have been very important anyway..... could it?

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Rochester Area Intergroup incidentally will shortly be receiving a link to the above!